Read some Crowley!

[Creator]

Have you read Aleister Crowley?



Crowley was a contemporary of Freud; he grew out of the matrix of Victorianism. He was one of many who helped to tear down the false, hypocritical, self-righteous attitudes of the time. Rejecting the effete morality of his Christian youth, Crowley deliberately set out to overturn what he saw as the oppressive, hypocritical attitudes of Victorian England, by identifying sex as the most central aspect of the human being and the most profound source of magical power. Aleister Crowley saw magick as the essential method for a person to reach true understanding of the self and to act according to one's True Will.

The Book Of The Law - Liber AL vel Legis
leapinglaughter.org/archive/law/index.htm

The Equinox
www.the-equinox.org/

Some other bits and pieces
leapinglaughter.org/archive/libri/index.htm

[Thorn]

I'm mostly familiar with the Book of Thoth, which is the best work on the Tarot that I've found. I've also read his "Autohaiography," the Book of the Law, and some of Magick in Theory in Practice. Brilliant man, one can learn a lot from him - if you can get past the stuff he throws out there to scare away the straights.

[Summer]

I am really hoping that someday we get some members who can explain to me what Crowleys beliefs were in a nutshell so to speak. I am soooo curious about him, but have a really hard time getting through his writings, as they seem so dry to me.

[michael]

I memorized the Holy Books of Thelema by the time I was 20.
I narrate the books perfectly too, from memory.
I've read every Crowley book you can easily find, and a few that you can't easily find.

Debbie, I think it's funny you say his writings seem dry.
Crowley is one of the most profound prolific writers of all time.
It takes some practice learning to read authentic occult literature, they aren't like other books.
It's more like watching a movie, the words are filled with so much meaning, you can spend 10 minutes glossing over the power contained in one simple sentence.

[Summer]

That is more what I meant to say, about the sentences being so prolific that it takes a long time to digest their layered meanings. So, what would you say that Crowley believed in? Maybe the way you write it will be easier for me to understand?

[pablo]

THE trouble with old Crow was that he was a product of his era. To me his appeal was a certain kind of sex and drugs and rock and roll philosophy that had resonance with many people from the 70s onwards.

Am I the only one that felt bad that him doing his will left a trail of damaged people behind him.? I read crowley as he was one of the few magicians that actually divulged what he did in detail.

He also died a heroin addict:-(

Just my 2 cents

Pablo

[Thorn]

Uncle Al may not have been someone I'd want to hang out with, but he left behind him a treasure trove of information.

About the damaged people: I'm not as up on Al as many are, so I could be mistaken, but it seems to me that he'd say we have a responsibility to ourselves, and to humanity as a whole. Other individual humans, not so much. His does not appear to be the gentlest of paths.

Not that I particularly agree, I tend to think that we're all in this together and need to watch each other's backs. So no, you're not the only one who was disturbed by the bad.

[Summer]

I tend to think that it is really an awesome thing the way that Crowely was connected to his Holy Guardian Angel. I do think it is too bad that he died a drug addict however.

[pablo]

Old Crow would have been one of the few occultists I would have sought to make peace with as opposed tofight a magical battle with.

He was a very accomplished practical (as opposed to armchair) magician.

Pablo

[Summer]

Wow! I need to get to know you Pablo, LOL! I could use the help.

[michael]

pablo said:

Am I the only one that felt bad that him doing his will left a trail of damaged people behind him. I read crowley as he was one of the few magicians that actually divulged what he did in detail.

all magicians divulge what they do in detail, real magicians anyways.

i'm interested in what you mean by "left a trail of damaged people behind him"
that seems a strange thing to say
who's they, and how were they damaged?

[pablo]

Hi Michael,

I don't know about the freelancers and wannabees in the USA but in the UK there is a strong tradition of secrecy regards the orders, lodges and groups. Oaths are made never to divulge what is done or the teachings or anything that could be constituted.

I have never heard of magicians real or (or what imaginary?) telling any nad everyone what they do. If you have personal experience to support "all magicians divulge what they do in detail, real magicians anyways" well fine. I have never in my 28 years of initiation heard of that.

Please critically read John Symonds book on Crowley or even Regardie's Eye in the Triangle. Ask yourself if he couldn't have treated these people with more care? Personally I would have taken more care over people's mental health.

Finally to understand a person complete with their faults is a higher understanding than just idolising them, IMHO.

Pablo

[michael]

lol

what exactly does 28 years of initiation mean- that doesn't even make sense, lol
i've read eye in the triangle many times, it never mentions anything about mistreating anybody.

also, the orders which keep "secrecy" are just liars who have no wisdom to share.
and i can totally prove that.
it's clear you're talking about things which you do not understand.

[pablo]

Michael

Ok.me make this clear to you. I have been initiated for over 28 years and have been a practical as opposed to armchair magician for that time. It is your lack of experience that does not make sense. Perhaps it doesn't count to you well that is fine. To those that know me and the genuine orders it means a lot. I am also a warden of the lodge. I have gone through through adepthood how about you?

"also, the orders which keep "secrecy" are just liars who have no wisdom to share.
and i can totally prove that."

I would agree in so far as the order does not share information. You wish to call me a liar that is fine. And why should the inner secrets be shared with everyone. Most of the secrets are on practical magic. Don't judge me by your experiences or lack thereof.

You have no experience of all the lodges on the planet anyway. You barely know what is happening in your State.

Anyway enough already. Your understanding of crowley is different to mine. Nuff said.

Pablo

[michael]

lol
are you asking for my credentials?

i'm the world's leading authority of sub rosa and the knights templars.
minister of Utopia Rapture Mutual Dream Network Priory Soul Temple
a certified Magus of OTO

you mention initation but not what kinds-

i was initiated by a buddhist priest when i was 18, and i can report that sort of initation is utter nonsense.
initiated into the Order of Melchizedek mystery school 12 years ago

and your assumption that i'm not informed of every Order, or Lodge, or Cult on this planet, is misgiven-
because I'm omniscient
i'm in direct contact with Thoth, and many other Angelic Hosts.

lol
so go on
since you brought it up
tell me,
what are your credentials?

you say our understanding of crowley is different-
mine is accurate, and yours is flawed by egotistical judgement and opinion.
you've yet to answer what he's done that has harmed anybody.
you even went so far as to say i should read the Eye in the Triangle, which i've read many times
and it gives no mention to anything bad or weird

the common misconception that crowley was bad or weird, or harmed anybody, is a total fabrication of disinformation, a LIE.

and being a Magus of OTO
and minister of U/R pst mdn sub rosa, it is my duty to expose liars.
nothing personal.

in love and service,
michael