Read some Crowley!

[michael]

here ya go!
this is called the Thelemic Search Engine

and scans every book that crowley ever wrote (there are thousands)
larabell.org/Hanuman/

yea, the word never comes up does it?

[pablo]

Has it ever occurred to you that Crowley was too lazy to go to the source works as I did. For gods sake the British museum had Dee's shew stone on dispaly for over 80 years. The existing Dee manuscripts are on open access in the UK. For god sake man that is the work of the real occultist.

Choronzon does but it is a mistranslation Crowleys working on Enochian are seriously flawed hence the desert experiment went wrong due to his usual cavalier fashion when dealing with other people's lives. I will not go into more detail as you know everything! Thelema has compounded previous errors!

Even scientists reperform the work of their predecessors.

Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn something "O grand poobah".

I would tell you so much more but as a practicing magician as opposed to a poseur such as you.

I want you to continue to wallow in your own ignorance, laziness and sloppy thinking " Oh Grandmaster of the Knights Templar".

I detest your second rate mind!

Have you ever done any Thelemic ritual?

As well as your assinine posturing

and your bad poetry

[Summer]

I believe that debating is a healthy thing to do, so I won't ban any one from the board for debating. I am one that believes in freedom of speech even on the internet. Especially here.

[Creator]

"I came here for a good argument."
"No you didn't, you came here for an argument."

— Monty Python



Freedom of speech? I'd rather have "freedom of expressing one's opinions without resorting to cussing at people". But that's just me... Let's keep this argument/debate on an intellectual level, shall we? I think it's a pretty interesting discussion so far. *makes more popcorn*

[Summer]

Yes, I could do without the cussing myself. No need to get that upset. So please try to be polite while debating.

[michael]

debbie, this isn't debating-
this is a man dispensing nothing but lies, i've just proved it
he's insulting and violent- which might be okay if he was insulting and violent toward evil people.
but he's insulting and violent to me, and i'm a saint, and a genius, so it proves a very deep level of corruption in his soul.

if it were true you actually wanted a message board that facilitated wisdom and magic and love, you'd have to ban pablo.
but your board isn't really about that, if it was you'd care about your friend michael and love him.

in fact i'll tell you what?
elisabeth knows me, and she seems to understand the body of my work PST MDN
do you agree with pablo?
is it true that i'm so worthless that you won't defend me as valuable?

i mean basically, if you're gonna allow pablo to spout such shit at such a beautiful man,
i sure don't need to come around here,
i'm only doing you a favor by being here y'know, lol

i like pablo for doing his job and testing our loyalties like this

either you wanna be friends with a guy like pablo
or you wanna be friends with a guy like michael
you can decide

but you can't have both
because pablo makes you guilty of ignoring what is True/Honest and what is False/Lies, by way of association you either support that, or you don't

so which is it?

[pablo]

Michael

All that you have proved is the following

1) Your complete and utter ignorance of Enochian calls and Enochian magic.
2) Your slavish and desparate need for Crowley that blinds you to any other rational view.
3) Your pathological self aggrandisement.
4) Your total disconnect with mundane reality.
Not to mention being a poetaster.

I am insulting because you are! People like you make me nauseous because you like to throw your weight around yet anyone who stands up to you is a subject of your own deranged projections. Go back over the posts and see who first started hurling insults. Here is a hint – It wasn’t me! I can out swear you at anytime but I haven't sworn at you and am frankly unlikely to.

You may be a Saint in the Xstian sense as some of them were mad!


“he's insulting and violent to me” How have I been violent ? You then mention my soul...Please leave my soul out of it as you have no ability to comtemplate such an spiritual and impersonal aspect of the divine. All you can see is your own deranged projections.

Your knowledge of magic is rudimentary. You have done far too little practical ritual work to be in this game. And it shows that you don’t really understand cutting edge magic or even initiation. Bombast was never meant to replace reason. I thought that a fundamentalist thelemite was an Oxymoron before meeting you.


You obviously think you are a genius well I don’t think your testable IQ could be higher than 100 which puts you in the same level as a significant number of religious fundamentalists and flat earthers.

I suppose you believe the world is flat too.

It is n’t debating because your pompousness does not allow for debate of grand Poobah. O though big Enchillada! Popinjay.

Why are you running and hiding behind Elizabeth and Debbie. Are you also a coward.


"if it were true you actually wanted a message board that facilitated wisdom and magic and love, you'd have to ban pablo.
but your board isn't really about that, if it was you'd care about your friend michael and love him."

”such shit at such a beautiful man” Wow are you real! Why not wait for other people to praise your beauty. Are you a woman?? Or a female impersonator.

“i sure don't need to come around here” Out Demon Out Lol.

Seriously why not stick around and learn to discuss. I am having a lot of fun with you! I don’t mean you badly but I wanted a bit of rigour in discussing a complex man. You sought to smother all debate with your conversation stopping comments like your various false memberships and titles.


"i like pablo for doing his job and testing our loyalties like this" You think I am testing your loyalties to Crowley??? I couldn’t give a tinker’s cuss what you do I just wanted to show why debate is important. Michael hear me. Deep experiential knowledge only comes from rigourous debate. For every ritual you do spend ten times more thinking an ddebating it. Now you can give lip service to the notion of debate or you can actually do it. What will you do? One of the beautiful things about a lodge, coven or group is that the members can comment and you and your work in a controlled manner to give space for growth. Take some advice Michael. You are too young in the game to be so sure. You must leave space for growth otherwise you will stagnate and be utterly self-boring. After which you will leave magic and return to church. Only because you failed to get the growth that every sane magician aspires to.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Spiritual growth only comes to those who are aware of their own imperfections.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


By the way you talk about love but you leave no space in your worship of Crowley to admit to the man’s considerable faults. All I am advocating is a higher love than you feel capable of achieving at this moment which to is explore that faults of a complex man (Crowley) and still admire him for certain things.

It is the grown up way.



“either you wanna be friends with a guy like pablo
or you wanna be friends with a guy like michael
you can decide”

Isn’t that juvenile and tiresome? You are asking people to join You R gang or Mine. BTW I don't have a gang and don't want one here. SO If everyone joined Your Gang as you really wish it wouldn't be a victory as I don't want a gang!

Stick around Michael I am laughing as I read this exchange. Lighten up! Between us we are generating a complete picture of the Crowley man. Later on we can take a look at his books together.

Thank you for entertaining me.

Fraternally Pablo

PS Every man and woman is a star

[pablo]

"and the word coronzom doesn't appear in any occult book
it's never spelled with the m"

If you could only go back and take a look at the original rendering of the word you would not have made such an obvious mistake!

You also fail to notice the change from "Ch" to "C" that was also shown . What is the numerical equaivalent and why is it of significance?



In your own words please.... But this is real magic and poseurs and not welcome (Hehehehe)

[michael]

first of all, i hate crowley.
i just defend him against bad persons like you.

i am so pure and godlike
and you are a sick disease

women and children get caught inbetween

i save lives and work miracles on a daily basis
you aren't hip to it because you are a poser, like this whole message board really

seriously pablo, do you really think lovemagick.proboards is some center of your powerful magic, lol
you do don't you? lol

you are a bad person
and so is anybody associated with you

[Creator]

Excuse me but I'm slightly drunk...

All I want to say is:



Let's close this pathetic excuse for a thread. KILL! I will lock the fucker now.